Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA05045 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:41:14 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01bff66b$b7274180$4a02bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D310174594D@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Memes and sexuality Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:08:27 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Vincent, I will post more info about this in the next fex days.
Untill then !!
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Memes and sexuality
> That's very interesting.
>
> It seems to me that this is an area where public perceptions of risk play
a
> part as well. For example, currently in Britain, a young girl has been
> murdered by an as yet unknown assailant, and has generated massive media
> coverage. One tabloid sunday newspaper, prompted by this terrible crime,
> yesterday printed photographs, and named the towns of residence, of 50
> convicted sex offenders who are on the sex offenders register (the UK
> version of Megan's Law in the US)- even though, so far, there's no
evidence
> that a previously convicted offender committed the crime.
>
> In fact, I'm not sure of the actual figure, but the vast majority of child
> abuse incidents, and child murders, are perpetrated by relatives, or by
> people known to the victim. The odds of a stranger taking someone's child
> and killing them are literally millions to one against.
>
> It seems that there is always a knee-jerk response to crimes that capture
a
> nation's attention- one is to change some aspect of law (superficially on
> occasion, or fundamentally on others), the other is to go into a kind of
> mass delusion where the incident is dismissed as a one-off, the
perpetrator
> is defined as pure evil, and the event is not seen as indicative of any
> underground aspect of that nation. Sometimes, paradoxically perhaps, both
> things happen, as in the case of the Dunblane shootings a few years ago (a
> gunman killed 15 children and their teacher, and then killed himself)
where
> handgun ownership was banned, whilst at the same time the gunman was
> portrayed as a figure of pure evil.
>
> Vincent
>
> > ----------
> > From: Kenneth Van Oost
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 5:04 pm
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: Memes and sexuality
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: Memes and sexuality
> >
> >
> > > Just to interject here,
> > >
> > > You don't have to go that far back in history to get to a time when
> > marital
> > > rape wasn't illegal, and as such wasn't constituted as 'rape' at all.
> > Given
> > > things like that, it's no wonder that the incidence of sex crime
appears
> > to
> > > be on the increase.
> >
> > << Given other things, in Italia a judge ruled that offering no
resistance
> > against the advances of a man is a ground to let the man free on charges
> > of rape.
> > Also, judges ruled that there was no way that a girl could be raped
> > wearing
> > a jeans, because of the impossibility that the man could have undressed
> > her
> > without her help. >>
> >
> > > IMHO, the important point relates to the discussion about taboos that
> > > Kenneth and I have been engaged in. What is clearly different in
> > > contemporary society is the notion that sex, including sexual abuse
> > (whether
> > > rape or incest), as a subject to be discussed in public has gone from
> > being
> > > an almost absolute taboo, to something more evidently accepted. With
> > that
> > > acceptance has come a big explosion of reports of sexual abuse on
women
> > and
> > > children-
> >
> > <<note, however, the situation of woman and children are improved over
> > the years, they have rights and a voice now !! We are bound to listen !!
> > We can 't put them off with fair words... >>
> >
> > >
> > > The strategies for trying to pretend such things don't happen can have
> > long
> > > terms consequences of course. Am I right in saying, for example, that
> > one
> > > intepretation of Freud's concept of the Oedipus complex is that it
> > stemmed
> > > (at least in part) from his inability to accept the possibility of
> > > widespread sexual abuse of children by polite Viennese society as
> > reported
> > > by his female patients?
> >
> > << In the famous X1 witness cases, in Belgium, there was talk about a
> > widespread network of childabuse /-rape and -murder by high ranked
> > politicians, buisnessmen etc. The investigators never found any clue
about
> > such network, but in all the us surrounding countries police found one
or
> > more. It was like the networks stopped at the Belgium border.
> > IMHO, a clear case of what I call ' an emotional barrier ', we could
not
> > believe, and people do believe still, that above the Dutroux case there
> > were networks where children were raped, sexually abused and murdered.
> > Dutroux was worse, even one thing more worse would have meant the
> > end of the country. In some way we areased the possibility that such
> > networks could exist out of our collective memory.
> > Vervloesem, a fellow who investigated such possibility in his own free
> > time, was brought into discredit, after a while he was accused of having
> > sex with under age boys and having put the pictures on Internet... >>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> > (I am, because we are)
> >
> >
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