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Hello Vincent, how are you today !?
I am glad to be back !!
Here is the post...about those famous X1 witness cases. Short, of course !!
> That's very interesting.
>
> It seems to me that this is an area where public perceptions of risk play
a
> part as well. For example, currently in Britain, a young girl has been
> murdered by an as yet unknown assailant, and has generated massive media
> coverage. One tabloid sunday newspaper, prompted by this terrible crime,
> yesterday printed photographs, and named the towns of residence, of 50
> convicted sex offenders who are on the sex offenders register (the UK
> version of Megan's Law in the US)- even though, so far, there's no
evidence
> that a previously convicted offender committed the crime.
<< Belgium newspapers did recall the issue !! They won 't go that far, they
say !!
> In fact, I'm not sure of the actual figure, but the vast majority of child
> abuse incidents, and child murders, are perpetrated by relatives, or by
> people known to the victim. The odds of a stranger taking someone's child
> and killing them are literally millions to one against.
<< You may count in also first degree murder !!
> It seems that there is always a knee-jerk response to crimes that capture
a
> nation's attention- one is to change some aspect of law (superficially on
> occasion, or fundamentally on others), the other is to go into a kind of
> mass delusion where the incident is dismissed as a one-off, the
perpetrator
> is defined as pure evil, and the event is not seen as indicative of any
> underground aspect of that nation.
<< They ' tried ' such things here in Belgium. All the good intentions are
failing, due to the opposite processes of justice, politics,...that due to a
strange mixture of ' liking the power ' and incapability, due to the fact
that
(almost) all of the judges and magistrates are/ were political appointent.
> Sometimes, paradoxically perhaps, both
> things happen, as in the case of the Dunblane shootings a few years ago (a
> gunman killed 15 children and their teacher, and then killed himself)
where
> handgun ownership was banned, whilst at the same time the gunman was
> portrayed as a figure of pure evil.
<< IMHO, the Dunblane murders are based on the scapegoat- principle.
It was Thomas Hamilton forbidden to come near the children due to some
speculations about his sexual preference. At the time of the murders noone
knew about mans preferences, it was only after the murders they found
pictures
and movies of nude children.
In a sense he is now somewhere where he wanted to be most, and that is
' for always with ' his ' children ' !! That fact is often seen as not
important in cases like this, but it is of a major signifiance for
explaining the reason why...
But, now to our story about X1...
Point made by me, it is all the mind. It is the double nature of the user.
We ask for correct nude pictures into advertising, we do have problems
with filmposters like The people versus Larry Flint, remerber he was
hanging on a cross like Jesus Christ with the American flag covering his
noble parts..., but we don 't stay indifferent for the images of the stereo-
typical, barely dressed Lolita, and we do demand a ban for porno, sex,
violence and adds for the sex- industry in general.
In general, IMHO, most problems start within the combination children
versus sex. With sex, as we established we do have problems. Children
we want to protect.
I don 't know what makes the combination sex/ children so an explosive
cocktail, but the notion we want to protect the children against it, is to
simple.
Violence, drugs, unemployent, etc...are IMHO equally worse and or
dangerous. So what makes our clock tick if we talk about children and
sex !?
The secret files of Neufchâteau
X1, the most known of the Nine, known to exist, name Regina Louf,
major player in the files, knew mush about, (almost in detail) other cases
of diseappered and or murdered girls/ boys.
Became a symbol for the search into the thruth, but was brought into
discredit after she began to ' invent things '_as police and politicians
told the public.
But what she did tell the public was so unbelieveble, that many people
thought that what she told could only be made up by a grazy woman.
During confrontations with the police X1 talks about snuff movies, baby-
murders and even hunting parties where naked children ran through a park
chased by man with crossbows...
X1 talks about the reason why_an addiction to power, power over pain,
life and death...
She talks about businessman, known or less known politicians, magistrates,
doctors...
She survived she said because of her high survival instinct. The stories she
told were so horrible that we, the public, could not imagine that something
like this even could exist in Belgium.
The best protection which authors of such crimes have is the enormous
contrast between reality and the mental grasp of the people overhearing
them...
And IMHO, I think that is true, with less then zero arguments you can
convince people that such things don 't exist, but on the other hand trying
convincing them that such perversities do exist, well that is the game of
the
mind...
X1 said, if we do survive such things we are all phantasts, it is better not
to survive at all...
But why are such things happening in the first place !?
The Belgium people says, those things were bound to happen_the history
of political scandals, unsolved murders (the bende van Nijvel, 29 dead,
no suspects, no reasons, nothing...) social disorder and the lack of a
good working justice department are the main reasons, but once again
that is to simple !!
Why then !?
Well I think the history of Belgium is playing a major part in this. The
country was over long periods of time occuppied by strange forces,
(Dutch, German, Spanien and French,...).
We never had, in a sense, the chance to be ourselves, we are still to
my point of view all hyper- individualists_the dualistic position towards
politics shows that, we expect politics take care of things, but at the
other hand we don 't want it in our homes.
Forced by catholicism and its as far as to -days impact we are still
' hiding ' , ' concealing ' ourselves (see the history about this )_we
are afraid that someone will see that or this. The process is still running
around as well as in our genes as in our mind.
The problem as I see it, is so vast that we indeed can ask ourselves the
question if ' believing stuff like the horrible things told by X1 ' can't
cross some emotional barrier.
That is_ back in our history there were so many horrible things committed
that we suspended neural bridges in our mind, we could not believe
no more...!!
In memetic sense, it is a boundery which our memes do not cross_we are
lacking some fundamental insight to take acceptance of child- and tod-
dlerabuse, childmurder and -rape to a higher intellectual standard to regu-
late it. Our memetic history has none examples on which we today can
replicate info about such matters...in a way, our mind is blind...telling
stories like those of X1 would have giving us the info we needed but it
was so horrible that IMHO older memeplexes, like survival, came into
play and hindered those info from entering...Still now, we are all in the
dark...
So, members, illuminate us...
Many regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are)
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