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If Bloom's views are correctly represented, he is ignorant of Muslim
doctrine, culture and practice. Child abuse is anathema in the Muslim
world to an extent not found in the USA, Western Europe and Eastern
Europe. I base this assessment on internal research carried out by the
Children's Bill of Rights organization. Variables included: physical
abuse, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, and commercial exploitation.
- Lawrence
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
>Despite being wrong, some do attest to this kind of argument. Howard Bloom
>presents this argument in his 'The Lucifer Principle', for example, arguing
>that Moslems, for example, tend to be violent societies because they abuse
>their kids.
>
>If social violence occurs because of a single cause, it is most likely to be
>hierarchies, whether in the family, in the local community, or on the global
>scale. Hierarchies are not a product of child abuse, indeed it's more the
>other way around.
>
>Vincent
>
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>> From: Wade T.Smith
>> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:09 pm
>> To: Memetics Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Memes and sexuality
>>
>> >http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
>>
>> I like it.
>>
>> I don't have any sides here. I do see a continuing saga, not a sudden
>> crest. I do think ignorance is deep in the faultline of abuse.
>>
>> But, I don't see this- from your citing- "That all social
>> violence--whether by war, revolution or economic exploitation--is
>> ultimately a consequence of child abuse should not surprise us" - as
>> anything but wishful hyperbole.
>>
>> - Wade
>>
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