RE: Memes and sexuality

From: Vincent Campbell (v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk)
Date: Tue Jul 18 2000 - 15:21:38 BST

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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
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Subject: RE: Memes and sexuality
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    Bloom bases his comments on a number of anthropological studies on Arab
    societies (such as the Bedouin), but I don't I have the book to hand, so I
    can't give you his sources at the moment.

    I'll get back to you on that one, but perhaps the link offered in Austin's
    post:-

    http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html

    offers some evidence in that area.

    Vincent

    > ----------
    > From: Lawrence H. de Bivort
    > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 3:15 pm
    > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
    > Subject: RE: Memes and sexuality
    >
    >
    > If Bloom's views are correctly represented, he is ignorant of Muslim
    > doctrine, culture and practice. Child abuse is anathema in the Muslim
    > world to an extent not found in the USA, Western Europe and Eastern
    > Europe. I base this assessment on internal research carried out by the
    > Children's Bill of Rights organization. Variables included: physical
    > abuse, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, and commercial exploitation.
    >
    > - Lawrence
    >
    > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
    >
    > >Despite being wrong, some do attest to this kind of argument. Howard
    > Bloom
    > >presents this argument in his 'The Lucifer Principle', for example,
    > arguing
    > >that Moslems, for example, tend to be violent societies because they
    > abuse
    > >their kids.
    > >
    > >If social violence occurs because of a single cause, it is most likely to
    > be
    > >hierarchies, whether in the family, in the local community, or on the
    > global
    > >scale. Hierarchies are not a product of child abuse, indeed it's more
    > the
    > >other way around.
    > >
    > >Vincent
    > >
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    > >> From: Wade T.Smith
    > >> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:09 pm
    > >> To: Memetics Discussion List
    > >> Subject: Re: Memes and sexuality
    > >>
    > >> >http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
    > >>
    > >> I like it.
    > >>
    > >> I don't have any sides here. I do see a continuing saga, not a sudden
    > >> crest. I do think ignorance is deep in the faultline of abuse.
    > >>
    > >> But, I don't see this- from your citing- "That all social
    > >> violence--whether by war, revolution or economic exploitation--is
    > >> ultimately a consequence of child abuse should not surprise us" - as
    > >> anything but wishful hyperbole.
    > >>
    > >> - Wade
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