From: Chris Taylor (Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk)
Date: Thu 19 Jun 2003 - 10:40:44 GMT
Wade what is an 'original' idea then? (And can we try to stay clear of 
the meaning/intentionality minefield plz.) What if you never tell 
anyone, but that (pseudo)original idea recasts everything you previously 
'thought'? Where does this fit in a model of the interactions of 
individuals? If Performance is not a model of mind (I assume it isn't 
because you hand off to CogPsych at that point), then I suppose it's a 
non-question, but hey I never saw dumbness as a bar to action (although 
I think I have mild Tourette's).
And (from another thread) I must admit to being alarmed by how close 
Dennett turned out to be to the EvoPsych nutters (and, actually, how 
poor his biology was in a couple of places). I would strongly contest 
the assertion that my meme-fundamentalist view leads to robotic 
determinism - we can quite happily have (the illusion of) free will 
because the interactions of our unbelievably complex experiences is 
effectively unpredictable (like the weather). However, like the weather, 
it is _in principle_ predictable if you have literally complete and 
perfect knowledge (which is impossible). And hand-waving quantum excuses 
for those post-dualists who fear the consequences be damned.
And 'knock up' yeah lol. Apparently some onetime public school boy at 
Eton announced on the TV in the US that he had been Lord Carrington's 
fag at school...
At that venue :) it means go-fer/gopher if you're wondering.
Cheers, Chris.
Wade T. Smith wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 06:22 PM, Keith wrote:
> 
>>> The crux of the matter is that the information must be in a mind in 
>>> order
>>> for replication to occur.
> 
> 
>> For the information to have any *real world consequences*, I completely
>> agree with you it must be in a mind, just like a gene has to be in a cell
>> for it to have real world consequences.
> 
> 
> Equine defecations, both of 'em.
> 
> For anything to have 'real world consequences' it has to consequent the 
> real world- it has to be out here. Information in a mind is nowhere but 
> in a mind. What a farce your model is!
> 
> The gene in a cell has no real world consequences except to maintain the 
> existence of the body it is in. Only when half of this genetic material 
> combines with half of the genetic material from the disparate sex of the 
> species does change happen. Again, what a farce your model is- as if 
> evolution is happening in one organism.
> 
> It takes two to tango, and, that means two minds in the real world, not 
> one mind with a bunch of useless facts in it.
> 
> Hello...?
> 
> - Wade
> 
> 
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