From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 22 May 2003 - 20:14:55 GMT
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> > > From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> > > > Sorry, Kenneth, but ALL spiders of web-weaving species produce
> > > > silk, while within the human family there are imbibers and
> > > > teetotalers.
>
> > Silk production is spider nature; booze-making is human culture.
> > The difference is as stark as the difference between genes and
> > memes.
>
> Sorry Joe, but for me this is fundamental !
>
> You make a difference between spider nature and human culture.
> Without wishing to fall in endless philosophical chatter I do want to
> point out that nature doesn 't have a need to compartmentalize.
> Besides it stimulates prejudice and misguidings. I am not against the
> terms themselves, I suppose those can make it easy for people to form
> their lives, but to pretent that the spider has a nature and the human
> a culture is intellectual chit- chat. It is, by far all defintion and
> agreed upon by consensus....
>
> There are reasons to attempt to say that booze- making is a part
> of our ' nature ', social and cultural motivated and surrounded, no
> doubt, but it has and had it reasons within our ' culture '. Still
> booze- making rituals are very important to a lot of people around the
> world, it is their fascination for the spiritual that makes them do
> it....
>
> There is more than one way to talk about a nature or a culture,
> there is more than one way to be a spider or to be man.
> If there should only be one, nature would be a dull place....
> Spider nature is seen from our, human cultural perspective,
> but both are part of nature, which in terms is a greater collec-
> tive, spiders and human are only little ' individuals ' within the
> greater of nature.
>
My poiunt still stands; within certain spider species, silk-production and
web-weaving is universal; within the human species, alcohol production
and consumption is not. One is genetic and natural, the other is
memetic and cultural.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
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