From: William Benzon (bbenzon@mindspring.com)
Date: Thu 20 Feb 2003 - 15:02:50 GMT
on 2/19/03 11:11 PM, Scott Chase at ecphoric@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
>> Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: Sue Blackmore lecture Wednesday 5.15pm London
>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:36:15 -0500
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>>>> Poppycock. What about the "meme's eye view"? I thought (oops a meme in
>>>> my head caused me to think) that it's not us having memes, but that
>>>> it's all about the memes having us. Conscious "choice", volition, or
>>>> "free will" is nothing more than a castle in the sky, a meme that has
>>>> captured us in its net and caused us to "think" (whatver that empty
>>>> word means) that we have "control".
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>>> The 'meme's eye view' is as much of a fiction as the 'gene's eye view',
>>> the 'God's eye view' and the 'stone's eye view'.
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>>>> "I" am not "me". "I" am an automaton driven by a collection of mental
>>>> contagions, deluded that "I've" a "self" there. That's what the memes
>>>> want me to "think" ;)
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>> ROTFLMAO (Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off) Stones with eyes yet.
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>>> If you think that memes WANT ANYTHING, much less for you to think a
>>> certain thing, even the information they contain, then you have a
>>> homuncular misunderstanding of memetics. But I doubt that you think
>>> that. I think you were being sarcasticly humorous, and if so, you did a
>>> reasonable job of lampooning the misunderstandings of some in the
>>> field.
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>> You been trolled, and missed the wink ;)
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>> Keith Henson
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>> (Though funny as it is, it captures a corner of reality. :-) )
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> Joe wasn't trolled. He caught the wink and knows me well enough that he
> recognized my disdain for memetic marionette views. That you see a corner of
> reality captured shows my satire wasn't too far off base after all.
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> My contention with Joe would be that if he asserts volition or conscious
> choice and that memes don't have people, instead of vice versa, at what
> point does his view diverge from memetics.
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> Memetic purity is a good starting point for demolition and Benzon seems to
> be gearing up his wrecking ball.
Actually, I figure I'm winding down at this point.
BB
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