From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 15 Dec 2002 - 20:40:56 GMT
> Well Joe, you are probably right on that, but of course, this doesn't
> mean that it has become our business, in the same way that we would
> say it isn't the business of the Venezuelans to call for a new
> election in the US. Do you think the US would have listened to a
> foreign government proposing that the US hold new elections in the
> 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s, say, when white southerners were rioting and
> killing blacks and civil rights workers? Or when we were killing
> hundreds of thousands of Viet Namese in their own country? Or
> supporting SAVAK in Iran?
>
> Why is our goose so special compared to their gander?
>
Actually, we forced the resignation of Nixon. And other nations were
delighted.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> > Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:33
> > PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Pax Americana Imperium
> >
> >
> > > We expect the Venezuelans to take our advice to hurry up their
> > > election cycle, I assume (or else there is not much point in
> > > meddling in their affairs), but I wonder how seriously we would
> > > take a suggestion from the Venezuelans that we re-do our election
> > > of 2000, on the grounds that Bush received fewer votes than Gore,
> > > that there is an estimated 5% census undercount of black voters
> > > (upon which House representation is based), and that black voting
> > > precincts had 'difficulties' in Florida.
> > >
> > > What is sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander. Except,
> > > I suppose, for a goose who considers himself better than all
> > > others and above the law.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Lawry
> > >
> > I think the call for electoral resolution has more to do with the
> > prospect of military coups and civil war and riots and dead in the
> > streets; this situation did not present itself in the US.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> > > > Behalf Of Grant Callaghan Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:18
> > > > PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pax Americana Imperium
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:05:29 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > > > For those on the list who are doing memetic mapping:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There of course has been growing notice paid to the power of
> > > > > > the US and the way the US government is wielding that power.
> > > > > > (Just today, I saw the US referred to as a 'hyper power.')
> > > > > > This attention has been focused on US relations with the
> > > > > > Middle East and increasingly, Europe. And now, this for
> > > > > > Latin America:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Headline from the NYT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shifting Stance, U.S. Calls for Early Election in Venezuela
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The White House called for early elections in Venezuela, at
> > > > > > least backing opposition demands, as unrest continues.
> > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/14/international/americas/14V
> > > > > > ENE. html?t odaysh eadlines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Lawry
> > > > > >
> > > > >Yep; the US wants the people of Venezuela to settle their
> > > > >dispute by popular vote; how imperial!
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The imperial part is where we told them to hurry up. How dare
> > > > us! But then, they're getting in the way of G.W.'s war on Iraq
> > > > and the headlines that go with it.
> > > >
> > > > Grant ;-)>
> > > >
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