From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Sun 15 Dec 2002 - 20:28:55 GMT
Well Joe, you are probably right on that, but of course, this doesn't mean
that it has become our business, in the same way that we would say it isn't
the business of the Venezuelans to call for a new election in the US. Do
you think the US would have listened to a foreign government proposing that
the US hold new elections in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s, say, when white
southerners were rioting and killing blacks and civil rights workers? Or
when we were killing hundreds of thousands of Viet Namese in their own
country? Or supporting SAVAK in Iran?
Why is our goose so special compared to their gander?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of joedees@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:33 PM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Pax Americana Imperium
>
>
> > We expect the Venezuelans to take our advice to hurry up their
> > election cycle, I assume (or else there is not much point in meddling
> > in their affairs), but I wonder how seriously we would take a
> > suggestion from the Venezuelans that we re-do our election of 2000, on
> > the grounds that Bush received fewer votes than Gore, that there is an
> > estimated 5% census undercount of black voters (upon which House
> > representation is based), and that black voting precincts had
> > 'difficulties' in Florida.
> >
> > What is sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander. Except, I
> > suppose, for a goose who considers himself better than all others and
> > above the law.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lawry
> >
> I think the call for electoral resolution has more to do with the
> prospect
> of military coups and civil war and riots and dead in the streets; this
> situation did not present itself in the US.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> > > Behalf Of Grant Callaghan Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pax Americana Imperium
> > >
> > >
> > > >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:05:29 -0600
> > > >
> > > > > For those on the list who are doing memetic mapping:
> > > > >
> > > > > There of course has been growing notice paid to the power of the
> > > > > US and the way the US government is wielding that power. (Just
> > > > > today, I saw the US referred to as a 'hyper power.') This
> > > > > attention has been focused on US relations with the Middle East
> > > > > and increasingly, Europe. And now, this for Latin America:
> > > > >
> > > > > Headline from the NYT
> > > > >
> > > > > Shifting Stance, U.S. Calls for Early Election in Venezuela
> > > > >
> > > > > The White House called for early elections in Venezuela, at
> > > > > least backing opposition demands, as unrest continues.
> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/14/international/americas/14VENE.
> > > > > html?t odaysh eadlines
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Lawry
> > > > >
> > > >Yep; the US wants the people of Venezuela to settle their dispute
> > > >by popular vote; how imperial!
> > > > >
> > >
> > > The imperial part is where we told them to hurry up. How dare us!
> > > But then, they're getting in the way of G.W.'s war on Iraq and the
> > > headlines that go with it.
> > >
> > > Grant ;-)>
> > >
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