RE: Another "Example" of the Radical Islam Memeplex

From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Sun 15 Dec 2002 - 20:22:44 GMT

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    So, Joe, I guess you are saying that, after all our requests, you flatly now refuse to tell us who is behind the MEMRI site, eh?

    No, I don't call you bigoted because your views differ with mine, but because your views reflect a depth of blind hatred and close-mindedness that reminds me of the worst of the southern racists I encountered during the civil rights movement, and the worst of anti-Asian bigotry that I saw during the Viet Nam war.... There is no doubt in you, Joe. I can't recall when you ever asked anyone on this list for their views, (except rhetorically). You are close-minded to the point of caricature.

    Now, you will say that this is an ad hominum criticism, and as I have explained to you before, of course you are right: it IS, often, a criticism of you personally, or those you rely on. And the reason for it is simple: you are clearly not here to learn anything, to enter into genuine dialogue. You are here to peddle you memes, and will do so blindly so long as anyone chooses to interact with you. I do choose to do so, and choose to do so through commentary on your personality, motives, and methdology. You are beyond substantive interaction and so I do not waste my time on that with you, and there is nothing left but addressing the matter of your processes.... Be glad that that is sufficient, for I am suspect that you find it better to be attacked than to be ignored.

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
    > Of joedees@bellsouth.net
    > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:37 PM
    > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > Subject: RE: Another "Example" of the Radical Islam Memeplex
    >
    >
    > > Actually, Joe, given your difficulty with sources, (and such things as
    > > your yet unreported disclosure of just WHO is behind the MEMRI site,
    > > as well as WHO has criricized me regarding my sources, as you accused
    > > some time ago and seem to be trying to now forget), I would prefer
    > > simply that you post your own views, deeply bigoted as I find them to
    > > me, and cease trying to find others to bolster your case. You, after
    > > all, are your own primary source.
    > >
    > Ad hominem again; you only find my views bigotedf because they do
    > not conform to your own obvious prejudices. My sources have been
    > enumerated countless times here; you cannot even number yours.
    > ASnd no, I WILL NOT stop posting what malicious Islamofascist
    > memebots are saying about us infidels, in their own words, whether it
    > pops your "noble oppressed Muslim" fantasy memebubble or not.
    > >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
    > > > Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:51
    > > > PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Another "Example" of the
    > > > Radical Islam Memeplex
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > But there's the rub, Joe. These sites are not about 'truth' but
    > > > > about persuasion. They use the tactics of propaganda. Just to be
    > > > > clear: I am not just referring to pro-Israeli or anti-Islamic
    > > > > sites, but to pro-Arab and anti-Israeli sites as well.
    > > > >
    > > > > That is precisely why primary sites and a comprehensive
    > > > > consideration of the issues are vital. In your biased postings of
    > > > > anti-Muslim and pro-Israeli materials and in your reluctance to
    > > > > answer our specific questions about them, you put yourself in a
    > > > > position of just being a megaphone to the propagandists. There is
    > > > > not doubt that you believe that what you say is truthful, but that
    > > > > is precisely the aim of propaganda -- to get otherwise naive
    > > > > people repeating the propaganda as if it were the truth.
    > > > >
    > > > I'm sorry for your torturous path to disillusionment, but you
    > > > simply can't
    > > > get around the fact that those are actual broadcasts that were
    > > > beamed into Middle East homes on the dates and by the stations
    > > > provided. No one else needs to propagandize against them - just let
    > > > them speak for themselves; their own actual words reveal their
    > > > bilous hatred and their commitment to infecting their infants with
    > > > it much more effectively than anything a propagandist could
    > > > manufacture. You complain when I post not my words, but their own.
    > >
    > >
    > >
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