RE: Examples of the Radical Islamicist Memeplex

From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Sun 15 Dec 2002 - 14:48:12 GMT

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    Yes, of course, it is a fact. The question was soemthing like: what turned the Arabs against the US? The answer is "Israel." But, as you say, that doesn't mean that Israel isn't now a 'fact.'

    I don't think Turkey ever felt they had a dog in that fight, so didn't have anything to 'get over.'

    Cheers, Lawry

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    > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
    > Of Scott Chase
    > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:07 AM
    > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > Subject: RE: Examples of the Radical Islamicist Memeplex
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    > >From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
    > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    > >Subject: RE: Examples of the Radical Islamicist Memeplex
    > >Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:10:53 -0500
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    > >Greetings, Steve,
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    > >I think the answer is fairly simple: what happened was Israel.
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    > Israel happened. Get over it.
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    > I'm not saying this as cheerleader, because there were bad things that
    > happened to resident Arabs during Israel's emergence, such as forcible
    > displacements and the like and there's a bit of Zionist arrogance towards
    > resident Arabs that's retrospectively upsetting, but Israel's a
    > fact of life
    > and the sooner the Arab rejectionists get over it the better.
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    > Turkey got over it didn't they? Sadat and King Husayn got over it didn't
    > they? Why can't the rest follow suit?
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    > > > When did the Muslim world change from one which sheltered the Jews in
    > >the
    > > > Middle East, in North Africa and in Spain till the late middle
    > > > ages from the
    > > > christians, to one where they are the personification of anti
    > Muslim and
    > > > evil? Assuming the Qu'ran has not changed too much why are jews
    > >acceptable
    > > > 400 years ago and not now? These are questions that need looking at.
    > > >
    > > > Why did an advanced tolerant society skilled in science, medicine etc
    > > > whilst we in the west struggled under the yoke of an ignorant church,
    > >lose
    > > > such an advantage?
    > > >
    > > > Regards
    > > >
    > > > Steve
    >

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