Re: Cui Bono Chuck?

From: Paul marsden (paulsmarsden@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 01 2000 - 08:59:26 BST

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    Sorry original got garbled...

    Chuck wrote;
    It looks to me -- and many others --
    like a belief in gremlins. In fact many reviewers say that the Blackmore's
    latest book makes excellent reading if seen as science fiction. The answers
    I
    have recieved so far are: 1) don't worry about it because it's only a
    rhetorical
    device to get people to think about how they behave, 2) memics isn't a
    science
    anyway, but a point of view, and 3) memics makes excellent predictions
    (although
    the particulars are always left out). The problem with these answers is that
    memics is posing as a science by borrowing the gene metaphor. And if you
    look at
    some of the posts carefully, most people here are taking the metaphor far
    more
    seriously than just another point of view.

    There are many ways to assess the goodness of a model, but objective
    ontological truth is not one of them

    What I suggest memetics brings to the table is insight into cultural
    dynamics that can be gained, not just by focusing at the level of the
    individual (psychology) or the group (sociology), but also the level of
    cultural instructions (as one conceptualisation of information) themselves
    (memetics) – a concrete example is the account of suicide I offered. Indeed
    the reflexive nature of cultural groups/meme (groups may be defined in terms
    of memes) provides a model to account for cultural group selection without
    the reification of the group (a la Durkheim)

    A good practical example of the potential power of memetics is If Price’s
    book – Shifting the Patterns – that takes a meme’s eye view of
    organisations; although I had problems with the precise operationalisation
    of the meme concept – the book provides an insightful memetic stance into
    corporate life.

    Another good example is Richard Brodie’s Virus of the Mind, which provides a
    meme-eye level reworking of the social influence literature providing new
    insight into an old subject

    And Aaron Lynch’s Thought Contagion provides a sweeping tour of the
    potential power of memetics – although he and I may disagree (sometimes
    quite publicly) on the details of how a memetic stance might be
    operationalised and memetics made progressive, Aaron demonstrates the power
    of memetics to generate interesting research hypotheses not intuitively
    available when culture is viewed exclusively from group/individual levels.

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