From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 17:13:03 GMT
>From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>, <fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
>Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:02:48 -0500
>
>Nope, you have it wrong, Joe. The truth is that you scrape the bottom of
>the
>barrel for the bottom feeders like "Ibn Warraq" and Daniel Pipes, and you
>try and foist them on us as if they were legitimate observers and analysts,
>instead of taking responsibility for yourself for uttering their bigotries.
>When challenged on "Ibn Warraq" you state he would be in danger if his
>'true' identity were known, thereby showing that you have fallen for "Ibn
>Warraq" hook, line and sinker. Think about it: if you don't know who he
>is,
>how can you assert what would happen to him if his identity were known? It
>is only your blind anti-Semitic bigotry that keeps you from acknowledging
>this. In the days of the US civil rights movement, bigots were called 'red
>necks' and 'crackers' -- your venom is now simply directed against Muslims
>and Arabs.
>
Not that such a thing would make bigotry against Arabs and Muslims right,
because it doesn't, but isn't there a fair share of bigotry directed against
Muslims in places such as Saudi Arabia? How easily could a non-Muslim travel
to Mecca and view the Kaaba meteorite? What difficulties would a non-Muslim
male have in having a relationship with a Saudi Muslim female?
OTOH, at least previous to 9-11, Saudis have been able to come to the U.S.
and though there's some degree of ignorant bigotry over here, they could
even do things such as meet American women and see the various parts of our
country unimpeded by religious stricture and with no religious police to
make sure they were on the correct path.
There's a tad of asymmetry I'd say.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
>joedees@bellsouth.net
>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:36 PM
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk; fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
>
> > No, you should post his true identity, Joe. And then when you quote
> > him, you should have the integrity to reveal that you don't have the
> > slightest idea who "ibn Warraq" really is, so trotting him out as a
> > Muslim spokesperson is intrinsically dishonest.
> >
>No, I don't know who he is, because if I did, so would the Radical
>Muslim faithful, and he would be fatwa'ed and in danger of
>assassination just like Salman Rushdie.
>
>
>
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