RE: Islam and Europe

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 17:30:31 GMT

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    >From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
    >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:13:03 -0500
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    >>From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
    >>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >>To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>, <fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk>
    >>Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
    >>Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:02:48 -0500
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    >>Nope, you have it wrong, Joe. The truth is that you scrape the bottom of
    >>the
    >>barrel for the bottom feeders like "Ibn Warraq" and Daniel Pipes, and you
    >>try and foist them on us as if they were legitimate observers and
    >>analysts,
    >>instead of taking responsibility for yourself for uttering their
    >>bigotries.
    >>When challenged on "Ibn Warraq" you state he would be in danger if his
    >>'true' identity were known, thereby showing that you have fallen for "Ibn
    >>Warraq" hook, line and sinker. Think about it: if you don't know who he
    >>is,
    >>how can you assert what would happen to him if his identity were known?
    >>It
    >>is only your blind anti-Semitic bigotry that keeps you from acknowledging
    >>this. In the days of the US civil rights movement, bigots were called
    >>'red
    >>necks' and 'crackers' -- your venom is now simply directed against
    >>Muslims
    >>and Arabs.
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    >Not that such a thing would make bigotry against Arabs and Muslims right,
    >because it doesn't, but isn't there a fair share of bigotry directed
    >against Muslims
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    Ooops, this should be NON-Muslims. I suppose it might be worth looking into how the Shia on the Arabian peninsula have been treated historically by the Wahabist Sunnis though.
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    >in places such as Saudi Arabia? How easily could a non-Muslim travel to
    >Mecca and view the Kaaba meteorite? What difficulties would a non-Muslim
    >male have in having a relationship with a Saudi Muslim female?
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    >OTOH, at least previous to 9-11, Saudis have been able to come to the U.S.
    >and though there's some degree of ignorant bigotry over here, they could
    >even do things such as meet American women and see the various parts of our
    >country unimpeded by religious stricture and with no religious police to
    >make sure they were on the correct path.
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    >There's a tad of asymmetry I'd say.
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