RE: Islam and Europe

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 16:37:35 GMT

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    >From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    >Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
    >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:35:14 -0500
    >
    >Good try, Joe. You and I have been around and around on this before, as
    >have others with you. I realized some time ago that you were not here to
    >learn, but to be righteous, and that you will repeat yourself and cut and
    >paste the tracts of others here until everyone goes mute from exhaustion.
    >It
    >is a total waste of time to discuss things with you, but it is entirely
    >appropriate to call you what you are, and I leave it at that. As it did
    >with
    >Joseph McCarthy, there comes a time to cease debate, and render judgment.
    >I
    >have rendered mine of you (as you have of me), and now others can judge as
    >they see fit. I will from time to time call you on your more manifest
    >sleaze, in case there are newcomers to this list who might be taken in by
    >you. But beyond that, I have no interest in dallying with you.
    >
    >This is the first time you are called out for your anti-Semitism? So be it.
    >You've earned it.
    >
    >Is this a criticism of you personally? You bet.
    >
    In what way are you using the label "anti-Semitism"? The term has a specific application AFAICT, meaning "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group" [from MWCD10]. Is your application broader than this (ie- hostility etc. against Arabs or Muslims) or has Joe posted diatribes against Jews? I realize that Semites include the groups of Arabs and Jews but thought anti-Semitism had a more specific application.

    Joe may be posting stuff that goes a little far in neagative attitide towards Islam, but he could see himself as countering apologetics seen in the attitudes of others.
    >
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
    >joedees@bellsouth.net
    >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:16 AM
    >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >Subject: RE: Islam and Europe
    >
    > > Nope, you have it wrong, Joe. The truth is that you scrape the bottom
    > > of the barrel for the bottom feeders like "Ibn Warraq" and Daniel
    > > Pipes, and you try and foist them on us as if they were legitimate
    > > observers and analysts, instead of taking responsibility for yourself
    > > for uttering their bigotries.
    > >
    >Where is the bigotry in their writings? I CHALLENGE AND DARE you
    >to produce it. Hysterical claims of bigotry are the last refuge of those
    >who cannot reason an issue out on its merits.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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