Re: electric meme bombs

From: Grant Callaghan (grantc4@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun 03 Nov 2002 - 22:42:17 GMT

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    > > > > On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 03:36 , joedees@bellsouth.net
    > > > > wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > That is not action; it is appearance/configuration/somatic
    > > > > > structure. You illegitimately conflate genetic mimicry and
    > > > > > memetic imitation.
    > > > >
    > > > > Ah, that is what I think those who claim birdsong is a meme do.
    > > > >
    > > > > Where do you stand on the birdsong/meme thingee?
    > > > >
    > > >I see birdsong as genetically determined, with minor variants
    > > >introduced by interaction with differing environments.
    > > > >
    > > > > - Wade
    > > > >
    > > Does that include ravens that learn to imitate human speech sounds?
    > > There are birds that learn to imitate the birdsongs of other birds. I
    > > don't see how that could be genetically determined.
    > >
    >In such cases, they are indeed imitating sounds, and are genetically
    >wired to be able to do so; what they are not doing is grasping
    >meanings.
    > >
    > > Grant
    > >
    If memetics is based on imitation, grasping meaning is not necessary to be memetic, is it? After all, humans are genetically wired to imitate sounds. Even those we don't understand the meaning of.

    Grant

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