Re: electric meme bombs

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 03 Nov 2002 - 23:02:42 GMT

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    > > > > > On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 03:36 , joedees@bellsouth.net
    > > > > > wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > That is not action; it is appearance/configuration/somatic
    > > > > > > structure. You illegitimately conflate genetic mimicry and
    > > > > > > memetic imitation.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Ah, that is what I think those who claim birdsong is a meme
    > > > > > do.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Where do you stand on the birdsong/meme thingee?
    > > > > >
    > > > >I see birdsong as genetically determined, with minor variants
    > > > >introduced by interaction with differing environments.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > - Wade
    > > > > >
    > > > Does that include ravens that learn to imitate human speech
    > > > sounds? There are birds that learn to imitate the birdsongs of
    > > > other birds. I don't see how that could be genetically
    > > > determined.
    > > >
    > >In such cases, they are indeed imitating sounds, and are genetically
    > >wired to be able to do so; what they are not doing is grasping
    > >meanings.
    > > >
    > > > Grant
    > > >
    > If memetics is based on imitation, grasping meaning is not necessary
    > to be memetic, is it? After all, humans are genetically wired to
    > imitate sounds. Even those we don't understand the meaning of.
    >
    I consider memes to be meaningful; otherwise, there would be no basis upon which we could choose between them. And choose we do.
    >
    > Grant
    >
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