Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id RAA07420 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c1ec77$07973d20$5e2ffea9@oemcomputer> From: "Philip Jonkers" <philipjonkers@prodigy.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <570E2BEE7BC5A34684EE5914FCFC368C10FC65@fillan.stir.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Media and Violence Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:34:09 -0700 Organization: Prodigy Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Vincent:
> The 'red, tooth and claw' statement was about a then-perceived constant
and
> violent struggle for resources between organisms. Today we know that
whilst
> parts of nature are like this, there are also parts where peaceful
> co-operation, altruism etc. also exist between organisms.
True, and I'm not denying that but can you tell me how many, or better how
few,
organisms can thrive on non-organic food. Most of the organisms, except
perhaps
a few bacteria living off on anorganic compounds, have to kill other
organisms that
serve as food, be it other animals or plants. Humans are of course no
different
from other animals, indeed we kill off both plants and animals. We kill
simply because
we have to in order to survive. It's a them or we situation.
Phil.
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