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Dear Chuck,
> I do, however, have a problem calling it a mutation.
> Mutations are accidents of the system - like a stray UV ray mutates a gene. I
> don't see how this is necessary a random process -- it sounds like it could
> have been a deliberate mataphorical process - of using a word metaphorically
> to describe another event.
Mutation is a change, or a changed thing. Natural genetic
mutation is random in the sense of being unplanned,
unpredictable, the result of chaotic processes or errors in
regular processes.
> Also, I am a bit confused about what altered. Are
> you saying that probe altered into prove?
"Prove" comes from Latin "probare", to test. The OED
distinguishes two main senses, "I. To make trial of, try, test. .
... . II. To make good, establish." The first sense died out in the
19th century, although it was the closest to the original Latin
sense. The saying survived, but with altered meaning.
> How would memetics see this differently from etymology - is there a
> difference?
AFAIK, the field of memetic mutation is not well developed. It is
an area I am interested in. I think that there are several
processes by which memes are mutated, some deliberate, but most
not, or not fully so. (How deliberate is a pun?)
Best,
Bill
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