Re: Central questions of memetics

From: Bill Spight (bspight@pacbell.net)
Date: Fri May 12 2000 - 19:24:16 BST

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    Dear Vincent,

    > I think you're right, but in a way isn't that one of the key questions of
    > memetics- what is happening to us now that our physical environment has been
    > transformed into something very different from our ancestral,
    > hunter-gatherer environment? Are all our peculiar cultural habits a
    > feature, as Wilson would say I suppose, simply the result of genetic driving
    > which can't keep up with the pace of environmental change, and thus are
    > often 'mistakes' (like the examples you give), or is something else
    > involved? Does something having a use in our ancestral environment explain
    > its specific form (or forms) of existence in the contemporary environment?

    To address your last question first, OC the phenotypic form of
    these behavioral genes is different in different cultural
    enviroments. And memes account for much of the difference, if not
    all.

    BTW, I part with the mainstream of evolutionary psychology in
    thinking that such phenotypes are more likely to reveal their
    nature in modern societies than in prehistoric ones. The reason
    is the nature of social evolution. There is a tendency over time
    to produce societies which fit the genes, even if the fitness of
    individuals or society as a whole is reduced in regard to
    specific genes.

    The sweet tooth is a good example. The preference for sweets is
    more general than a preference for fruit. However, in the
    physical environments which originally selected for the
    preference, sweets were mainly fruits (maybe honey, sorghum, and
    saps as well). In such environments either preference can enhance
    survivability. But when we shifted from food gathering to food
    production, we started making foods sweeter than fruit. IOW, we
    altered the environment to fit the genes. I think that much the
    same is true of sports, although it is a much more complex area.
    I would not be surprised if the sports genes and war genes are
    the same.

    So I do not see it as a question of the genes failing to adapt to
    a rapidly changing environment. We get the environment we
    deserve. (Pretty much.) There is coevolution among memes, and
    also among genes and between memes and genes. But by and large
    genes form the environment for memes.

    Our ability to alter our physical environment is a double edged
    sword. That power has obvious survival value. OTOH, we also
    reduce the survival value of some of our genes in the process. In
    the short term (on evolutionary time scales) we are obviously
    flourishing. Our longer term prospects are uncertain.

    Best,

    Bill

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