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Joe Dees wrote:
>> As i mentioned before, the idea of a self is taught to us by our
>> primary caregivers, whom we distinguish from the surrounding
>> environment on the basis of their meaning-laden, purposeful and
>> responsive behavior. We then internalize this distinction and
>> ourselves become individual self-conceivers among others.
Chris Lofting wrote:
>nope. IF you look at the development of mental states from mammals through
>primates to us so the concept of self comes first. In monkey studies there
>is a sense of SELF-awareness but NOT of OTHERS-awareness where OTHERS means
>OTHER MINDS. There seems to be a mental state where actions performed by
>others are seen as being 'somehow' programmed/controlled by 'me'.
Excellent!
mark
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