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On Thu, 02 Mar 2000, Wade T.Smith wrote:
>On 03/02/00 13:29, Robin Faichney said this-
>
>>My main concern is to say that memetics need, and
>>should, have no subjective element. That's my main beef with Joe, too.
>
>Any process of looking at consciousness needs to have a 'subjective'
>element, in that one is studying subjectivity, yes?
>
>And by this I mean simply -
>
>meaning-4. Psychology. Existing only within the experiencer's mind.
I take your point. In fact, it's one I've often made myself. But what is wide
open, is the extent to which memetics is concerned with "looking at
consciousness". I'm fairly heavily commited to the position that, though
memetics has the potential to explain much in the general area of consciousness
(unlike Dennett, but like Blackmore, I don't think it can completely explain
consciousness), it (memetics) also has the potential to fit your
ideal:
>But I do agree that a science is not utilizing a valid analyzational
>method unless all hint of subjectivity is removed from that method.
At least as regards eliminating subjectivity, though it may fail to make the
grade as a science for other reasons.
>But, memes themselves are the blocks upon which subjectivity rests.
The blocks upon which it rests, or the bricks of which it is made?
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