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On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
>> >>
>> >There IS NO information in the absence of meaning
>>
>> You said that before, and I replied "Try telling that to a physicist", to which
>> I did not see any response. I'm still interested.
>>
>And a physicist, Bob Logan, has responded to you.
Unfortunately, the only directly relevant sentence in his message was "I'm a
physicist and I agree with both statements." Not very helpful. In any case, I
wanted your response, not someone else's.
>Try reading
>Shannon and Weaver also, and Fred Dretske and Norbert Weiner
>and John Von Neumann (I know it's useless asking you to read
>ANYthing, but I thought I'd try - again! - anyway).
Never mind the reading lists. Discuss the issue, if you can. I recently
posted a question on this to sci.physics, and was generally pleased with the
response. I suggest you use deja.com to check it out -- the subject line is
"Information in physics". And if you still say "there is no information in the
absence of meaning" after doing that, perhaps you could drop a line to the list
(and the newsgroup?) on the topic "Why the concept of information in the
context of thermodynamics is invalid".
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