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Robert
Thank you for the statement, and the URL. I agree
> would like to say every word, every science theory, every semantical
>element of a language is a meme. Linguists define a language as a
>semantics and a syntax, (vocabulary and grammar if you will). The
>semantical elements are memes as described below. The material in quotes
>is from the Extended Mind paper available at
>http://physics.utoronto.ca/undergraduate/JPU_200Y/EM_Front_page.html
Quoting myself I'm afraid, in a paragraph which one reviewer well known to this
list was concerned about
The meme is a unit as a gene is a unit, and the boundaries of both are somewhat
vague. A gene is a particular subset of the letters on a strip of DNA; a phrase
in DNAs language, the smallest unit capable of seeking its own replication. A
similar distinction is intended by meme an entity that will be recognised as
such but may be repeated or combined with others to form some larger unit of
replication.
I also appreciate your broadening of the scope of 'language' to embrace various
cultural artefacts or tevchnologies as a form of languaging. Your 'Manual
Praxis: From Tool Making to High Tech' has incidentally been traced in a
cladistic sense, by Ian Macarthy
McCarthy, I., Lessure M., Ridgway K., and Fieller M., 1997 Building a
manufacturing cladogram. Int. J. Technology Management, 1/3 269-286
and results in various 'families' (no strict correlation to the biological
equivalent intended) of different manufacturing organisations many of whom are
having their equilibrium severely punctuated by memes derived from your fifth
and sixth languages.
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