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From: Raymond Recchia <rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com>
Subject: Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya
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> Just to toss in my two cents on this subject I think we do have to be
> careful to distinguish between socially derived behaviors and memes. Take a
> group of social mammals and raise them all separately and they will develop
> different behaviors from those that would develop if they were raised
> together. The behaviors developed in the group are not memetic and are not
> what we should call culture. They are the result of the individual adapting
> to an enviroment which contains a number of members of the same species.
> The behaviors exhibited in the example being cited may be of this sort
> rather than anything memetic but I would have to know more.
>
You're saying that the relay hunting behavior of the wolfpack, a
genetically based group cooperation which does not vary from pack
to pack, nevertheless cannot develop in a lone wolf. The instinctual
exigency to engage in these group behaviors is innate rather than
socially derived; it's just impossible for them to be manifested
outside of a conspecific group environment (one wolf can't run a
relay alone).
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