Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya

From: Raymond Recchia (rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com)
Date: Sat Feb 26 2000 - 22:29:43 GMT

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    Just to toss in my two cents on this subject I think we do have to be
    careful to distinguish between socially derived behaviors and memes. Take a
    group of social mammals and raise them all separately and they will develop
    different behaviors from those that would develop if they were raised
    together. The behaviors developed in the group are not memetic and are not
    what we should call culture. They are the result of the individual adapting
    to an enviroment which contains a number of members of the same species.
    The behaviors exhibited in the example being cited may be of this sort
    rather than anything memetic but I would have to know more.

    By way of contrast I would point to the study of chimpanzees that came out
    over the summer in 'Nature' and which was discussed previously in this news
    group. Whiten, A. et al. Nature 399, 682-685 (1999). Rather than rehash old
    news I'll just quote a few snippets from a summary by Frans B.M DeWaal.
    (snip)
    "The researchers have combined and analysed a total of 151 years of direct
    observations on seven populations of chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) from
    across equatorial Africa. The researchers document a wide range of
    consistent behavioural variation between populations. Much of this variation
    cannot be attributed to obvious ecological or geographical differences,
    leaving cultural variation as the only likely explanation."
    (snip)
    "Studies of chimpanzees in captivity support the emerging picture of
    cultural apes. Because captive groups are relatively young, new habits often
    develop and their spread can be carefully charted10. Also, new techniques
    can be demonstrated to the apes by human experimenters, to see how
    faithfully they are copied11. All in all, the evidence is overwhelming that
    chimpanzees have a remarkable ability to invent new customs and
    technologies, and that they pass these on socially rather than genetically"
    (snip)
    "The definition of culture will no doubt keep changing, but Whiten et al.
    rightly take the position, common in the life sciences, that mechanisms are
    of secondary importance. In the same way that the definition of respiration
    doesn't specify whether the process takes place through skin, lungs or
    gills, the concept of cultural propagation does not specify whether it rests
    on imitation, teaching or language. The 'culture' label befits any species,
    such as the chimpanzee, in which one community can readily be distinguished
    from another by its unique suite of behavioural characteristics.
    Biologically speaking, humans have never been alone -- now the same can be
    said of culture."

    I really have nothing to add to what DeWaal is saying here. He has
    summarized my position better than I could.

    Raymond O. Recchia

     

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