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From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Hari Seldon
Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:20:03 -0500
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Joe E. Dees
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:39 PM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: RE: Hari Seldon
> >
> >
> > From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Subject: RE: Hari Seldon
> > Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:28:44 -0500
> > Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk
> > [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > > > Of Bruce Jones
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:41 PM
> > > > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> > > > Subject: RE: Hari Seldon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Robin Faichney [SMTP:robin@faichney.demon.co.uk]
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Lawrence H. de Bivort wrote:
> > > > > >Mistakes and mutations are different concepts.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > [BJ] Robin Faichney wrote:
> > > > > Obviously so. But I always thought it generally accepted
> > that what is a
> > > > > mistake
> > > > > from the "normal" perspective, if it results in a modified
> > concept or
> > > > > behaviour, should be considered a memetic mutation. Is
> > there some other
> > > > > way of
> > > > > looking at this of which I'm unaware?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > [BJ] How so???
> > > >
> > > > If it is a mistake that an animal has the ability to run faster, fly
> > > > higher or hide better than its peers and thus avoid death
> > long enough to
> > > > pass on its ability, then it becomes genetic and the
> > difference between a
> > > > mistake and a mutation is mute. Only if the mistake as in the
> > > > expression of
> > > > a gene that is 'anti-survival' will the concept of difference be
> > > > recognized.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. Most mutations are not beneficial. Only some turn out
> > beneficial.
> > > But they are all accidental.
> > >
> > > Only an intelligence can make a mistake. Only the errors by intelligent
> > > beings are mistakes.
> > >
> > > Thus, being that Mimetics has to do with the transmission of behaviors,
> > > among intelligent beings, there is no distinction between mistake an
> > > mutation.
> > >
> > Learn to spell memetics first, Aaron.
>
> Opps! blame my spelll checker. If I'm not careful, it changes "Memetics",
> which it does not recognize, into "Mimetics", which it does. --speaking of
> mutation!
>
>
> >Remember me? Remember
> > the callous, arrogant and vicious
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Pot/kettle/black!!!
>
>
> >spam attack to which you
> > submitted the Virus List?
>
> I remember no "spam attack" on my part. I never so much as tried to resell a
> used book.
>
>
> >Remember being enshrined for all
> > perpetuity as the permanent recipient of Carl Wagener's Head Up
> > Your Own Ass Award for those actions?
>
> I unsubscribed to Virus, with no regret. But when hate email from the CoV on
> the Virus list actually pursued me, I replied that all CoV business on my
> computer would incur a bill for CPU time and Hard Drive space on my
> computer.
>
> And you are running a tab, buster! You have been warned! Speak no more to me
> of Virus or CoV. I am not interested.
>
>
> >Please do not exhibit the
> > same behavior here you did there, hmmm?
>
> Fuck off, insignificant flamer!
>
> I made a cogent post, pertinently and on topic. You are just being abusive.
> Your self rightious hypocrisy is transparent. If you want to play these
> games, go back to Virus or join alt.flame, shit-head!
>
> It is my hope that this list still maintains a higher standard than your
> ugly abuse. Act like a civilized adult, or go play with the other children.
>
I have been here a helluva lot longer than you, pompous
hemmorhoidal asshole, and have actually done some useful work
here, a concept completely foreign to such as the likes of you.
You're just immediately demonstrating your sick and demented
bastardry, right after joining the list (which I have been a member of
for over a year) and your prepubescent, failed and futile attempt to
use me as a foil for your pretense to testosterone possession will
not succeed, because people here know me, and they're gonna
learn about you fast, boy! I am getting your award URL from the
Hermit, and will post it on list for the perusal of all and sundry,
fuckwad!
>
> > > >
> > > > I feel that the same occurs with words, thoughts and social
> > > > concepts. In the 1890s the term to be gay was OK. It meant having a
> > > > happy-go-lucky attitude towards life and living. In the mid
> > 1900s this
> > > > began to 'evolve' and 'mutate' to a very negative term. Which is the
> > > > mistake and which is the mutation? Where is the survivability?
> > > > Will gay as
> > > > a word and concept become extinct or will there be a
> > branching with two
> > > > separate but related 'families' arising? In twenty, fifty,
> > one-hundred
> > > > years how will a semanticist trace the word [if it still exists]?
> > > >
> > > > Just some thoughts
> > > > >
> > > > [BJ] Bruce Jones
> > > >
> > > > ===============================================================
> > > > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > > > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > > > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > > > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ===============================================================
> > This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> > For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> > see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
> >
>
>
> ===============================================================
> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
>
>
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For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
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