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On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
>> OK, forget the bit about individual words. But please explain why semantics
>> cannot be considered encoded in language, and how, if it is not encoded,
>> meaning gets conveyed from sender to receiver.
>>
>Of course semantics is encoded, but that does not negate
>semantics itself as a necessary and essential component of
>memesis.
I'm not familiar with "memesis". But I think you should consider the
possibility that the major difference between us is semantic -- that I mean
something different from "meme" and "memetics" than you do. The difference,
I'd suggest, is very simply this: you view the meme as an item of intentional
information, whereas I see it as an item of physical information. I don't want
to "negate semantics itself" -- I consider it essential! But not to memetics,
which is about pieces of information that replicate regardless of our
perceptions and intentions. That does not invalidate these, it just means
memetics is about something else! (Or at least at the fundamental level it is,
though it can be built up, with other components, to the level at which we
consciously operate, just as atoms can in principle be built up into tables and
chairs.)
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