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From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Reborn Technology
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: What are memes made of?
Date sent: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:56:04 +0000
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> On Thu, 03 Feb 2000, William van den Heuvel wrote:
> >Robin Faichney, 2000-01-30:
> >>I'd be grateful for any feedback on the following essay...
> >>
> >
> >
> >In response to your request for feedback, I would like to offer you
> >my view on information:
> >
> >Your article seems to be based on the notion that "information is
> >simply the form, or structure, of matter". In my opinion, this notion
> >of information is in some sense inadequate. I am not saying it is
> >incorrect but the point I wish to make is that this is only a
> >relatively insignificant aspect. A much more significant aspect is
> >what the form means.
> >
> >I am inclined to think that the information is not so much in the
> >form of the matter but much more in the meaning of the form.
>
> You obviously skipped the second paragraph, which reads:
>
> <begin quote>
> Roy Frieden (1998) has recently suggested that the laws of physics are
> generated by the attempt to minimise the difference between an entity or
> system's own physical information, and the information that physicists
> can obtain about it. What follows is based not on Frieden's work, but on
> that distinction, between physical and intentional information. I intend
> to show that memes, like genes, are items of physical information, even
> though, unlike genes, they are not tied to a particular molecular-level
> encoding.
> <end quote>
>
> "Meaning" is a quality of intentional information, and so is beyond the
> remit of this particular essay.
>
Memes are informational patterns which possess and symbolize
meanings, and are created, transmitted, apprehended, received
and imitated by the intentionalities for which they possess those
meanings; you just excluded memes themselves from your essay
on "ontological memetics."
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
>
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