Re: What are memes made of?

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Date: Thu Feb 03 2000 - 20:57:12 GMT

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    From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
    Organization: Reborn Technology
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    > On Thu, 03 Feb 2000, William van den Heuvel wrote:
    > >Robin Faichney, 2000-01-30:
    > >>I'd be grateful for any feedback on the following essay...
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >In response to your request for feedback, I would like to offer you
    > >my view on information:
    > >
    > >Your article seems to be based on the notion that "information is
    > >simply the form, or structure, of matter". In my opinion, this notion
    > >of information is in some sense inadequate. I am not saying it is
    > >incorrect but the point I wish to make is that this is only a
    > >relatively insignificant aspect. A much more significant aspect is
    > >what the form means.
    > >
    > >I am inclined to think that the information is not so much in the
    > >form of the matter but much more in the meaning of the form.
    >
    > You obviously skipped the second paragraph, which reads:
    >
    > <begin quote>
    > Roy Frieden (1998) has recently suggested that the laws of physics are
    > generated by the attempt to minimise the difference between an entity or
    > system's own physical information, and the information that physicists
    > can obtain about it. What follows is based not on Frieden's work, but on
    > that distinction, between physical and intentional information. I intend
    > to show that memes, like genes, are items of physical information, even
    > though, unlike genes, they are not tied to a particular molecular-level
    > encoding.
    > <end quote>
    >
    > "Meaning" is a quality of intentional information, and so is beyond the
    > remit of this particular essay.
    >
    Memes are informational patterns which possess and symbolize
    meanings, and are created, transmitted, apprehended, received
    and imitated by the intentionalities for which they possess those
    meanings; you just excluded memes themselves from your essay
    on "ontological memetics."
    >
    > --
    > Robin Faichney
    >
    >
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    > Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
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    >

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