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> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Jeremy Bradley <jeremyb@nor.com.au> Re: Selfish meme?Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>At 08:52 AM 4/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>On 02/04/02 01:43, Jeremy Bradley said this-
>>
>>>I must continue to enquire into
>>>why Western 'civilisation' can tolerate behaviours which are environmentaly
>>>suicidal.
>>
>>I'm not aware of any human society, past or present, that does not
>>tolerate environmentally dangerous behaviors.
>>
>>The degree of danger and behavior are variable, but, really, no society,
>>east, west, north, or south, lives in the paradise of synergism with
>>nature that such romanticism demands.
>>
>>- Wade
>
>
>Wade
>I suggest that you enquire into the "synergism with nature" practiced by
>most indigenous societies. See Knudson and Suzuki "Wisdom of the Elders"
>for well researched examples from all regions.
>Whilst the early Australian civilisations did make impacts which caused
>extinctions, once they realised the fragile nature of this land they
>developed systems of land management which remained stable for many
>thousands of years - colonial practices have severely damaged the entire
>continent in a mere two hundred years. Native American peoples (both north
>and south) also had management practices which could have maintained land,
>rivers, air and seas in reasonable condition.
>Wade please don't be so defensive. I am only pointing out that due to
>current corrupt US energy policies much environmental damage will occur.
>Here in Australia (and we are not blameless either) the latest research
>estimates that during the next fifty years we will lose up to half of our
>eucalypt species and a quarter of the large marsupials. Also, coral reefs
>will die throughout the Pacific. This will expose low-lying areas to storm
>damage and inundation. Many island nations will become uninhabitable and
>extreme wether will cause massive loss of life.
>In the longer term, maybe 150 years, the planet will not support humans.
>Does that not make our carelessness and corruption crimes against humanity?
>Genesis 1.26 places man over nature, this is (according to my meme-maps) an
>aberration in the human mythscape as all other early cultures were directed
>to exist in nature, not above it.
>Jeremy
>
At least you aussies can eat rabbits; consider them a return gift for your voracious meleleuca.
>
>
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