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> Re: Fw: sex and the single memeDate: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:20:59 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Philip Jonkers -
>
>>I can't see why instinct has anything to do
>>with meme-processing.
>
>I'm sure the brain has instincts- reactions we can't do a thing about,
>and I'm sure perception, if it doesn't depend upon them, is easily
>affected by them.
>
>Instinct is part of us, and as such, is part of how we perceive, and
>perception is a big part of meme processing.
>
>It is part of our processes, and thus, part of our memetic process.
>
>That was all. Didn't mean it to be anything else.
>
>>If instinct was that important wouldn't more
>>animals have developed a culture too?
>
>As for animals developing cultures, well, depends upon what you call
>culture. A termite heirarchy, with all its parts, is a very unique
>adaptation of evolution. Could it be called a culture? What parts of it
>could be extended to produce our cultural processes? Is a chimpanzee
>troupe a culture, with all of its social intrigues and grooming
>practices, the sexual heirarchies and groupings? What parts of their
>behavior could be part of our cultural processes? IMHO, I see no reason
>whatsoever to call anything any other animal does culture, but, surely,
>there are enough foreshadowings and processes within other species for
>some studiers to have doubts.
>
>Of course, much of human development is considered to be things we've had
>to do because we _don't_ rely upon instinct....
>
Or because our instinct is generic, rather than specific, like our ability to master one or more languages in general, without there being a specific one that our instinct entails that we be imprinted with.
>
>- Wade
>
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