Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id WAA17587 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:19:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.84] From: "Steve Drew" <srdrew_1@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: ply to Grant Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:13:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F2156GoVaE7WD84jBtw000065ca@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 22:13:50.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[640A0100:01C1AE92] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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From: "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ply to Grant
It IS worth billions. Just look at the culture that Bill Gates built
and
the billions he collected for his efforts. The same goes for Hewlett
Packard, Apple and Intel. They didn't just invent new products. They
also
invented new ways of organizing labor and management so that labor was
able
to share the riches and become totally involved in the work they were
doing.
Tom Peters propagated these ideas in his books on how these ideas
changed
big business.<
I agree with you and disagree. Asi said earlier, it= thought Naomi Klien had
the gist of it in that big buisness picked upon the idea of memes without
any notion of theory. To her it is termed *brand* - it conveys an idea of
the company and not its products. Hence bill Gates get his billions (He has
even talked openly about making his software more reliable, which will be
nice {ok i'm biased i use Apple, ).
On the minus side, yes some folks did get rich, but if Kliens book is true
many others got poorer. many of Tom Peters reccomendations are for
outsourcing. The (any) company becomes a marketing company (meme factory?),
with the productyion of goods, relegated to contractors, with the use of
casual labour, far east sweat shops etc I think Aarron referred to this
danger earlier, and it is a real danger.
Steve
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