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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Croft?= <jdcroft@yahoo.com>
Subject: Meme Replications ERP and Time Travel
Hi Folks
Replication is the first principle of producing a
meme. The principle here is one which would allow a
copy to breed, and to have selection of the result in
such a way that "successful" copies can reproduce at a
rate different (faster, more numerous, more
faithfully) than "unsuccessful" copies.
Teleportation is an interesting case. The "beam me up
Scottie" devices would seem to operate on a similar
principle. For instance, a body is scanned, the
information is "beamed", and reassembled at its
location. Such a device has been called a "murdering
twin-maker" - and it is assumed that the original copy
is disassembled in the scanning process, with an
identical copy being made elsewhere.
For a long time it has been assumed that such a
replicator was impossible due to the Heisenberg
Uncertainty Principle. To make an accurate copy would
be a requirement to know both position and momentum of
a particle at once, a violation of one of the most
fundamental laws of Quantum Physics. But now a way
has been found around the problem.
In the 1930's Einstein proposed with Rosen and
Polsudsky the ERP Theorem which seemed to violate the
uncertainty principle. It proposed two interacting
particles which separate. Once separate, measuring
the momentum of one and the position of the other,
should enable momentum AND position of BOTH to be
inferred (hereby violating the Uncertainty Principle).
Bell's theorem in the 1960s and Alain Aspect's
experiment in the 1980s of the ERP Paradox, showed
that the Hiesenberg Principle was maintained. This
seems to suggest that when the position of particle A
is measured, it communicates instantaneously ("faster
than light"!) with particle B informing it that its
momentum cannot be measured.
Scientists at Bell Labs have found out a way to use
this effect to create a teleportation process. Thus
two interacting particles A and B separate, Particle
A meets a third particle (C) which is to be copied and
translocated. It is scanned and information on its
position is beamed using the FTL (faster than light)
ERP effect to the other particle. If position is
beamed the ERP would carry the remaining (uncertainty)
information to position D (a point on the trajectory
of particle B. At point D particle A (the one to be
trasported) is reassembled. Ergo - translocation and
a new replicator is born.
This new replicator is effect has now been confirmed.
While translating large objects (eg Captain Kirk) has
not occurred (the technology currently only transports
atomic and sub-atomic particles at the moment), there
is nothing in the approach that would make such a
transportation system impossible (just the difficulty
of scaling it up to large sizes).
Not only does this discovery make the building of
Quantum Computers a lot more closer, it also makes
possible the reality of time travel (i.e. because the
transport of information is FLT, in fact the ERP
effect can send the information backwards in time,
before the "disassembly" occurred. It brings Time
Travel a whole lot closer - and I do not need to raise
the point what can of worms that can open up. We
could by this means send memes backwards in time to a
time before they existed!
Regards
John<
Are you on about entanglement here, or is this something else? If it is
entanglement (New Scientist 20/5/00, No: 2239), i was under the impression
that it was information that was transmitted alright, but i wasn't aware of
any of the aforesaid that goes with it. I believe they have already
conducted expriments (reported in New Scientist, but not sure which ) using
entangled pairs of particles including doing a very simple calculation. ie a
quantum computer. If it is not entanglement, do you have a reference?
Regards
Steve
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