Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id CAA08406 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:10:14 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:04:28 -0800 Message-Id: <200202020204.g1224SH16942@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [66.156.194.7] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Abstractism Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: AbstractismDate: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:47:06 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Joe Dees -
>
>>If I say to someone else that the bacon's in the fridge, and they tell a
>>third person, then meaningful information has been replicated, a necessary
>>and sufficient condition for memetic propagation to be said to have taken
>>place. It would also result in the modification of behavior; the third
>>person would look for the bacon in the fridge rather than in the freezer.
>
>It is a claim of yours about memetics that this exchange of information
>is memetic propagation. (It is not a claim I accept.)
>
>Because I could claim, with equal validity, that's it's got nothing to do
>with memetics whatsoever- it's just like the dance of the honey bee. The
>location of a food has been expressed in both instances.
>
But it was expressed in an arbitrary and human-created language that is understood by instruction and mutual convention, not in an instinctual, species-universal, innate and frozen system. If I was to give the same message to an Urdu speaker, (s)he wouldn't understand it.
>
>(There is no modification of behavior, however, as we have not observed
>this third person going to the freezer at all from your presentation.)
>
If it were me, I'd be there (and have been numerous times when informed of the location of victuals). Call me anything, but don't call me late for dinner.
>
>
>- Wade
>
>
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