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Joe:
> > It is impos!
> >sible, for instance, to incorporate evolution within the rubric of
> >semiotics, if it is being done properly (and a lot of it isn't). You
need
> >memetics for that. As I said before; these two disciplines are
> >complementary; each contributes something that the other cannot, thus
> >combining them in a study maximises one's chances of grokking one's
object
> >- which is why it makes no sense to leave one for the other.
Stephen:
> Well put, Joe. But memetics carries too much genetic-determinist baggage,
> and this constant implied reference to genes-as-cause puts a serious limit
> on how far we can take memetics.
Please explain how that is so. Genes made the brain, the brain makes memes.
Although we may influence genetic evolution through memes, it is the
current gene-pool which build brains that restrict meme-creativity
potential.
Philip.
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