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On 26 Jan 2002, at 20:58, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> << Seen as the notion itself no !
> But seen as selection pressures, yes, there are outside forces which, and
> I agree, don 't do the selection as such but clear influence what to select.
Okay so this outside force is the evil cult leader, but he probably
has a brain too.
> in a way, yes, there are out there memes floating around waiting to
> picked up, but ' our ' memeplex ain't that eager for just that, though!
> Our memes don 't perform all the time as we expected them to do_
> never had the feeling you missed something completely obvious !?
All the time!
> Memes are to blame.
!
> The trick is, in a sense, to find out what it could mean. And than
> of course, all kinds of catalysts will disperse the most logical way
> to follow.
*sigh*
> Two, memes will give you the prevalent trait that you have a free will,
> and that you, are all the time in control.
> But don 't be surprised, in both ways they serve their own interest,
> their own suvival and propagation must prevail.
I think the impression of free will and the feeling of personal
integrety is not a question of memes but rather of control and
success. When everything goes wrong you start blaiming some
outside forces. And when everything goes right, then of course,
you, you this person who worked hard for it is the one who is
responsible.
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