Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA27370 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:23:58 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:19:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200201260019.g0Q0Jeo19903@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.160.204] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: sex and the single meme Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com> Re: sex and the single memeDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:57:34 +0100
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <salice@gmx.net>
>> On 24 Jan 2002, at 22:02, Scott Chase wrote:
>> > I'm not saying selection would be totally unimportant, but one's view
>should > > be tempered with the acknowledgement that other mechanisms could
>come into play.
>Salice,
>> I can't see how memetics should be independent from our
>> selection.
><< Depends which view you take upon memetics, I presume !
>
>How come memes relate to our thinking process if they
>> are so independent from us?
><< Memes guide in a way that process. Giving in to the notion that genes
>were to be selfish is not so disturbing. You got after all still your mind !
>But giving in to the notion that memes are in total control and put forward
>controller mechanisms which produce preferential selections prior to
>distribution is !!
>Blackmore warned us, memes are dangerous stuff.
>
>They could be ANYTHING! They don't
>> have to rely on the world around us, but they do! And that's
>> because we select them cause we live in this world and try to
>> survive in it!
><< Memes oganise the environment of where their hosts live in, in such
>a way that their survival- chances and propagation increases.
>' We ', in a sense don 't select. We are merely vehicles to propagate
>memes, although that is still under debate.
>
>> To think that memetic/cultural development is independent from the
>> individuals/group choice is useless in my eyes. What else would
>> define which memes survive and which not without us?
><< Their own evolutionary disposition of being pro- life for themselves.
>Memes just use you and me, this list, the Net to put forward their own
>progency. All the ones who are around, in all their forms possible, are
>the ones who survived and will thrive. The one more than the other, but
>still the ones dormant are waiting to pop up someday.
>Group or individual, memes don 't care. ' We ' care, but pro- choise
>memes has selected that for us.
>
Yeah, and those anti-abortion memes are peeved about it, ayy?<snicker!>
>
>Regards,
>
>Kenneth
>
>
>
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