Re: sex and the single meme

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    > "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com> Re: sex and the single memeDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:57:34 +0100
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >
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    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: <salice@gmx.net>
    >> On 24 Jan 2002, at 22:02, Scott Chase wrote:
    >> > I'm not saying selection would be totally unimportant, but one's view
    >should > > be tempered with the acknowledgement that other mechanisms could
    >come into play.
    >Salice,
    >> I can't see how memetics should be independent from our
    >> selection.
    ><< Depends which view you take upon memetics, I presume !
    >
    >How come memes relate to our thinking process if they
    >> are so independent from us?
    ><< Memes guide in a way that process. Giving in to the notion that genes
    >were to be selfish is not so disturbing. You got after all still your mind !
    >But giving in to the notion that memes are in total control and put forward
    >controller mechanisms which produce preferential selections prior to
    >distribution is !!
    >Blackmore warned us, memes are dangerous stuff.
    >
    >They could be ANYTHING! They don't
    >> have to rely on the world around us, but they do! And that's
    >> because we select them cause we live in this world and try to
    >> survive in it!
    ><< Memes oganise the environment of where their hosts live in, in such
    >a way that their survival- chances and propagation increases.
    >' We ', in a sense don 't select. We are merely vehicles to propagate
    >memes, although that is still under debate.
    >
    >> To think that memetic/cultural development is independent from the
    >> individuals/group choice is useless in my eyes. What else would
    >> define which memes survive and which not without us?
    ><< Their own evolutionary disposition of being pro- life for themselves.
    >Memes just use you and me, this list, the Net to put forward their own
    >progency. All the ones who are around, in all their forms possible, are
    >the ones who survived and will thrive. The one more than the other, but
    >still the ones dormant are waiting to pop up someday.
    >Group or individual, memes don 't care. ' We ' care, but pro- choise
    >memes has selected that for us.
    >
    Yeah, and those anti-abortion memes are peeved about it, ayy?<snicker!>
    >
    >Regards,
    >
    >Kenneth
    >
    >
    >
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