Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id CAA14928 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:53:48 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:49:25 -0800 Message-Id: <200201220249.g0M2nPY08388@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.47.144] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:47:23 -0800
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Wade,
>
>> Remove the human from culture, and memetic development is
>> impossible. Memetic behavior requires cultural environment, just as
>> speech requires a languaged environment to develop. So, far, no-one
>> is asking that there be 'languemes' in the brain. No, the genetic
>> development of the human brain selected for speech and language
>> and culture as a developmental complexity, totally dependent upon a
>> sustaining environment. Language in the brain is a potential- the actual
>> speech itself comes from outside, in the form of phonemes that are
>> heard, not created internally, that fill and fit, like smells, into
>> prepared regions of the senses. And memes are not found internally.
>> They are found and created outside. Where they shall remain.
>
>How could language not exist in the mind? Yet I agree that it's not in the
>brain. In fact it logically cannot reside in the brain, for language is a
>set of abstractions, and abstractions have no definable physical
>characterisitics. There are no words in brains, only clumps of neurons that
>"light up" when we comprehend or produce language. To imagine that the
>co-occurrence of brain activity and mental activity demonstrates that brain
>causes mind is to commit the well-known fallacy of false cause.
>
These pattern-configurations in the brain are translated by the dynamically recursive mind, which emerges from the material substrate brain, as words, among other things (such as images).
>
>Ted
>
>
>
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