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On 20 Jan 2002, at 22:17, FamilyFirm@aol.com wrote:
> So what is the sense of this group regarding the level of volition existing
> in the relationship between memes ( or memeplexes) and individuals or groups.
> It sounds as if some here are organized by a cluster of memes leading to the
> belief that we are free to choose the memes we are host to?
>
> For those of that persuasion is it assumed that we are conscious of all of
> the memes that have staked out mindspace in a host?
>
> Or is there a developmental aspect to this such that at some levels of
> development an individual or group is pawn-like relative to memes, but where
> in higher developmental stages the cosignoti can pick and choose their noetic
> paracites?
>
> My impression is that one might have a better quality of life when they
> believe that that can choose there memes. But I see so many examples of
> people who believe their thoughts, feelings and behaviors are organized by
> certain ideas, or beliefs when from the outside it appeara that they have
> been in service to something they knew not of.
>
> I have come to suspect that some clusters of memes have evolved in such a
> way that some memes organize the individual or group in ways that they are
> conscious of, while the more powerful memes lie hidden and influence in
> insideous ways.Some aspects of alcoholism might me an example.
Yep! There are these 'crazy' people who think that they're directed
by some outside force. Actually i think they have just become
more conscious than the rest. It's no good life tho, better be inside
than to observe from outside.
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