Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA11308 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:10:24 GMT To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Message-Id: <AA-68B51EEBBC57F2F0C09712650AE59FD6-ZZ@maillink1.prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:33 -0500 From: "Philip Jonkers" <PHILIPJONKERS@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Sensory and sensibility Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Ray:
>Doesn't the fact that animals can dream mean that
they have a self? I have
>less objections to your term 'self-awareness' even
though I'm not fond of
>it either. In any case Irene Maxine Pepperberg's
work with parrots
>demonstrates that these animals are capable of using
words if properly trained.
Indeed, IIRC it has been reported that cats have a REM
sleep-phase. But to infer from this that cats have
an actual abstract representation of other cats,
and of themselves... hmmmm, it may be on a very, very
crude level. I think it would be more likely that
REM sleeps with an abstract meaning occurs with
better equiped animals, like primates for instance.
Philip.
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