Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id SAA03681 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:25:19 GMT To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Message-Id: <AA-F024798069ED6F9FA81FA77D27B92262-ZZ@maillink1.prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:21:20 -0500 From: "Philip Jonkers" <PHILIPJONKERS@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Paranoid Schizophrenia and Memetics Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Phil:
>> Memes are valuable or represent valuable things such
>> as tools to hunt, make money, or engage other
>> profitable activity. Anything valuable is worth a
>> fight, it's a natural thing. Humans are no different
>> >from animals.
Salice:
>Well i don't think that the flamewars are about
stealing ideas from
>people. That's not the point. There are people with
different opinions
>and everyone thinks he's right and want's to convince
the other.
>That's not comparable to a real fight, were you'd
probably kill
>someone for getting something.
>
>When i read what you write, i think you mean
something like a fight
>for a tool. Like two people would fight for a car or
something. But
>this is not comparable again, because if i copy a
meme, an idea,
>the other person doesn't lose it.
I see what you mean. Okay think of the following class
of memes:
schemes to build weapons most prominently those meant
to inflict destruction on large scale, grow crops in
such an efficient way that it drains resources from
neighbors too, how to have success in life at the
expense of others.
Such memes are very desirable for a lot of people
(I'd like to call it fitness increasing). If one
possesses a meme from this class others want to have
it too. But the first meme host has a true interest
in preventing this from happening as they might pose
a threat to his welfare. That's why some memes
literally are worth a fight and as such may trigger
an endless spiral of evolutionary adaptation.
Philip.
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