Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id IAA02191 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:30:32 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:26:04 -0800 Message-Id: <200201180826.g0I8Q4I01608@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.160.162] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:02:03 -0000
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Joe,
>
>Thanks for this interesting piece. I think you could find, however, in the
>rhetoric of the EU, and the rhetoric of recent British governments much to
>show Said's central point to be valid. Indeed, in the other interesting
>(and polemical) piece from the US you posted about we see evidence of it
>there too.
>
>Vincent
>
You can find masses of rhetoric in the Islamic press and world at large to demonstrate that the pieces I have posted are more accurate than polemical. Check out madrasas.
>
>> ----------
>> From: Joe Dees
>> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:19 AM
>> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception
>>
>>
>> For a trenchant critique of the constructed myths embodied in Edward
>> Said's work ORIENTALISM, go to:
>>
>> http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/17/jan99/said.htm
>>
>> > Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'"
>> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Mon,
>> 14 Jan 2002 14:17:05 -0000
>> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> >
>> >Hi Keith,
>> >
>> >
>> > <I think in a post analysis the real competition will be seen as
>> >between
>> >> "western" culture and everything else. "Western" in this sense
>> includes
>> >> Japan and the advanced countries of south Asia as well as the more
>> >> traditional countries. Japan, for example, contributes significant
>> >> cultural elements to the rest of "Western" culture. "Popular" is
>> another
>> >> name for it. Religion is not a major element.>
>> >>
>> > If only the last sentence were true.
>> >
>> > <It's hard to describe all the major elements, but music, fashion,
>> >movies
>> >> and TV shows are parts of it. High tech gadgets are part of it, and to
>> a
>> >> lesser extent, the free market environment it takes to make them. (No
>> way
>> >>
>> >> you can do a 5 year plan to produce things nobody has invented yet!)
>> >>
>> >> Near as I can tell nobody in power cares if western/popular culture
>> pushes
>> >>
>> >> into Islamic culture and displaces it or not. Because it is not
>> static,
>> >> the older leaders of the western countries usually express disdain for
>> >> their own popular culture. Can't blame them, piercings give me
>> >> fantods. (Meme of the day, nipple rings and chain mail is a bad
>> >> combination.)>
>> >>
>> > Try reading Edward Said's book 'Orientalism'. You'll see there
>> >evidence of a huge amount of cultural, political, economic and so on
>> >investment in appropriating, containing and controlling oriental culture.
>> >Who does the European Union regard as a threat socially? The East,
>> >particularly the Islamic East- look at the reticence of the EU to take
>> >Turkey's application for membership seriously. What gets Americans
>> cross?
>> >When Japanese companies start buying up US ones.
>> >
>> > Vincent
>> >
>> >
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