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Whether we say that a meme is 'in the brain' or outside, what ultimately
counts is its effect within the brain of its recipients, and then on the
recipient's actions. IMO, he brain being the place where a person
integrates an enormous amount of thoughts, emotions, logic, perceptions,
etc., the likelihood that any meme will lodge itself unaffected by the rest
of the brain's activities is slim to zero: thus evolution ought not to be
impeded at all by high-fidelity meme transmission through to a person's
sensory apparatus.
Lawrence
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> Of Grant Callaghan
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> Subject: Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception
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>
> >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:36:59 -0500
> >
> > >Nothing gets transmitted exactly as I thought it.
> >The thought is a model of
> > >something I want to do or say but the means of
> >communication are so limited
> > >they cannot carry the idea completely or exactly.
> > >
> > >When I tell you I'm going to build a white house, the
> >house I see in my mind
> > >will be different from the house you see in your mind
> >simply because my
> > >experience with houses is different from yours. The
> >model for the house I
> > >envision will come from my experience and the picture
> >or idea you decode
> > >from my transmission will reflect your experience.
> >No two people share the
> > >same identical experience. Only a limited amount of
> >the concept I was
> > >trying to transmit will be received. Therefore, all
> >transmissions of memes
> > >are distorted and contain the seeds of error.
> >
> >Not exactly. The written word was invented just to
> >prevent or counteract that from happening. Written
> >language increases copying-fidelity.
> >You can read all about in the Meme-Machine. It may
> >even be anticipated that communication
> >between AI computers (program exchange) yields
> >even higher copying fidelity. Variation will then have
> >to be inserted completely artificially to facilitate
> >memetic evolution.
> >
> >Philip.
> >
> I agree we are constantly coming up with ways to achieve greater
> efficiency
> and fidelity. But I don't think we will ever achieve perfection.
> Variation
> will just be reduced. Never eliminated.
>
> Grant
>
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