Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id JAA28356 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:48 GMT To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Message-Id: <AA-71F1087601D15B95C59113034EB63AC7-ZZ@maillink1.prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:12:55 -0500 From: "Philip Jonkers" <PHILIPJONKERS@prodigy.net> Subject: RE: the earth revolves around the sun Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> RE: the earth revolves around the sunDate: Tue, 15
Jan 2002 19:39:35 -0500
>> "Wade T. Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics
Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To:
memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>>
>>Hi Joe Dees -
>>
>>>In fact, vastly differing behaviors can and do
indeed encode the same or
>>>very similar meanings, and this very fact spells
the death knell for the
>>>perspective.
>>
>>Again, I really do want to see the proof of that
statement.
>>
>>What meanings? And how did you arrive at them from
observing vastly
>>differing behaviors?
>>>
>My answer to this is contained in my bank robber
example; handing the teller a "give me all the cash
from ypour drawer" note or whispering the sam message
to him are differing behaviors which encode the same
meme, either transmission mode of which will result in
the same behavior on the part of the bank teller.
Dear Wade & Joe, has it occurred to either one
of you that you both may be right? In a dispute where
there is a division by two parties both of
which provide persuasive arguments for their case
it may be that the truth actually lies on both sides
(or in between).
This discussion reminds of the dispute between
Schroedinger & Heisenberg on the representation
of quantum-mechanics, a wave-equation vs matrix-
calculus. It turned out that both representation were
valid and in fact equivalent.
My point is that both behavior as well as meaning
may transmitted (from person to person). By definition
this would make both categories memetic. Behavior can
be physically copied, meaning is an abstract notion
that can be transmitted if it can be captured by
some communicative medium (language in humans).
Philip.
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