Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA23639 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:54:54 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0800 Message-Id: <200201160450.g0G4oSw04507@mail22.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.255.42] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Modes of transmission Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: Modes of transmissionDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0500
> "Wade T. Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Joe Dees -
>
>>They may show them, tell them, write to them, show them a picture, all
>>with the (sometimes successful) intention of transmitting the selfsame meme.
>
>Well, I'm feverish, not thinking straight, although I'm sure there are
>those who would say that is my normal MO, but, what you just said above
>looks like a behavior that is a meme to me.
>
No, four different behaviors and thus four different memes, as far as the behavior goes; one meme, as far as the meaningful content encoded and transmitted goes.
>
> All I have to do is change
>'selfsame meme' to 'meaning' and I'm set.
>
But memes are meaningful. We are perhaps overlooking the fact that transmission modes are themselves memes which are learned and stored for use. Plus, each of these modes would be a different meme which is combined with the meaningful meme we intend to communicate to preform the communicative function.
>
>But, it does look like meaning is a stickler here, and even intention. I
>was trying to get out of the way of that semantic, well, crap, by
>isolating the meme, the cultural element of evolution, to behavior, and
>moving everything else into the factory, the memetic pool, the cultural
>environment- ideas, intentions, meanings, language, laws, skills, arts,
>science, fashion, et al.
>
>In this way, the behavioral meme was the obvious agent in the environment
>of culture- the agent that altered the species of chair upon which we
>sat, and the agent that altered the variety of restaurant where we ate,
>and the agent that altered the shape of the hat on our heads, ad
>infinitum. And none of that messy meaning stuff to have to sift through,
>and interpret, and well, get wrong.
>
But if this requires displacing the storage and mutation site of the meme (the cognitive environment), then it simplifies at the cost of distortion and misrepresentation.
>
>- Wade
>
>
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