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> RE: the earth revolves around the sunDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:23:16 -0500
> "Wade T. Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Joe Dees -
>
>>>The meme is an attempt to express this to someone else.
>>>
>>No, the meme is that which is communicated
>
>Then, in this scenario, there are three memes. The one that is
>transmitted- the one that is moving between communicatee and
>communicator- and the one that is received.
>
No, just one meme, translated from its sender's neural storage into encoding behavior (speaking) which is received and retranslated into its receiver's neural storage.
>
>In my scenario, there is only one. It's success is determined at how well
>its behavior is replicated.
>
>Your continued examples of responses to stimuli- the bank teller- are
>communications of meaning, granted, but not all behaviors are memetic, as
>you say. Not all meanings are meant to be replicated.
>
Only meaningless behaviors are nonmemetic; if they have been understood by another, they have been replicated and could possibly be reproduced by the recipient, who becomes the new transmitter. If it cannot be communicated, what proof is there that it possesses meaning (whatever 'it' is, or if 'it' can even BE a 'what' (something)as opposed to anything else - these distinctions are made on the basis of meaning differences).
>
>- Wade
>
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