Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id CAA19664 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:11:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: cheetah.nor.com.au: Host 026.analog.ppp.lismore.dataheart.net [202.147.132.26] claimed to be green-machine Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020115130148.00717450@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: jeremyb@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:01:48 +1100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk From: Jeremy Bradley <jeremyb@nor.com.au> Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception In-Reply-To: <AA-F9E09EE9BD788D27A1A427A85CF15144-ZZ@maillink1.prodigy.n et> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
I wrote
>>Hi all
>>On this touchy subject I would observe that it is
>not "the highest goal in
>>life is to kill yourself in an attack on Americans"
>which is the meme. For
>>me, martyrdom is the effect of the "going to heaven
>is good" meme.
>>Jeremy
>
>I beg the differ according to that point of view, all
>people who commit suicide qualify to become martyrs
>too. Moreover, all people who die a natural death
>may be regarded as martyrs too. This stance
>makes the concept of martyrdom impotent and
>meaningless.
>The first alternative sounds more appealing though.
>
>Philip.
>
Sorry Philip
When I was getting my religious instruction, suicide was a sin; no heaven.
However, in Islam, as was the case with Japanese Kamikaze pilots, killing
ones self under religious instruction guarantees a place in heaven. I think
that those Christians who went to Palestine in the crusades were told the
same.
As for "natural death", get real.
Jeremy
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