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----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: Fw: CRASH CONTAGION
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@cogeco.ca>
> > > People *often* die in heroic acts. And it make no difference if you
or
> I
> > > think he was doing something stupid, what is important to understand
his
> > > actions from an evolutionary psychology viewpoint is how he felt about
> it.
> >
> > Hi Keith, sorry for the delay. Got a lot to do and still there is more
> > waiting,
> > anyway, what you wrote above and can agree with. That is exactly the
> > main point ! All the rest is due to speculation.
> >
> > > >Obtaining attention and a wife were not the boys
> > > >motives to crash a plane in a building !
> > > I disagree. A substantial fraction of what people do is directed
toward
> > > gaining status. Those actions led directly to reproductive success
> (most
> > > of the time and in a tribal environment).
> >
> > << Yes, of course, but such assumption can' t be applied here !
> > What did the boy exept !? To live and tell about it !?
> > To get a wife and tell his children and grandchildren about his heroic
> > exploits !?
> > To get any reproductive success out of killing himself !?
> > Status seems logical to me, he, maybe earned a footnote in history, but
> that
> > will be all.
> >
> > > >Setting fire to a nearby wood would not have giving the same impact
> > > >than crashing a plane in a building !
> > > >Teens imitate teens, remerber ! Nurture by the kin- group is far more
> > > >important than the teaching of the eldery, parents, bin Laden or
other-
> > > >wise !
> > >
> > > Maybe, but the note found on him was clear about bin Laden.
> >
> > << Yes, to give himself the credit of having an attitude, to give any
> > meaning
> > of importance, to make a ' statement ' ! But what is the real meaning of
> > such writings !? Kids do, and say the darnest things. I do understand
> that,
> > we the eldery, do not listen to what kids have to say, we don 't see the
> > cries
> > for help which kids throw at us, but on the other hand, and that is my
> view,
> > some cries are indeed very real, are legitimate, but don 't throw away
the
> > child out of the kid !! Some kids do stupid things, but there is no
reason
> > to look for deeper meanings. We think we have to, to understand the
kids,
> > and that is maybe our mistake !!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
>
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