Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id RAA13585 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:21:06 GMT From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <NEBBKOADILIOKGDJLPMACEDOCJAA.debivort@umd5.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <JJEIIFOCALCJKOFDFAHBGEOFEBAA.richard@brodietech.com> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Please remember we are asking how Muslim children might get the 'meme' that
Christians are out to kill them, in parallel with Chriustian kids getting
the 'meme' that Muslims are out to kill them...
What Christians have done to Muslims recently that might spread the meme
that Christians are out to kill Muslims:
- Somalia
- Attack on civilian sections of Tripoli
- US bombings of Iraq post-Kuwait
- Sudan -- Clinton's cruise missiles
- Afghanistan - ditto
Each of these US actions -- entirely justified in US gov't eyes -- killed
and harmed Muslim civilians.
And then we have the highly publicised:
- Bush's 'the evil ones' used without specification
- Bush's 'crusade' - later retracted by Bush if not by those who planted
this ill-conceived language in his mind), but only after the 'crusade' meme
had spread
- Afghanistan 'collateral damage' -- this meme, launched by the DoD and
Bush, has been well-exploited to suggest a callous disrgard to the death and
maiming of innocents.
I won't even go into the two-centuries of colonialism by the Christian West
(often and more recently with US participation) that preceded all of this.
But will, if you inquire ;-D
Some will want to argue with us about how some or all of these actions are
'justified' but this is not of great interest here: we are talking about the
acts, perceptions and language what create and spread memes.
Lawrence
> I don't see the parallel. Where is that happening?
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> In the same way, I suppose, that Muslim parents have to worry about
> Christian kids being taught that it is alright to kill Muslims.
>
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> > <<It's not the memes you have to worry about, it's the people who use
> > them.>>
> >
> > So we don't have to worry about Muslim children being taught that the
> > highest goal in life is to kill themselves in an attack on Americans?
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