Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA22680 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:26:15 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <phae@uclink.berkeley.edu> Organization: UC Berkeley To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:25:54 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <F164c69yZ9L03Uz8FpZ0000fdae@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <F164c69yZ9L03Uz8FpZ0000fdae@hotmail.com> Message-Id: <01112916255401.01076@storm.berkeley.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Philip:
> >I don't care about the sentiments of some romantics who don't `feel'
> >confortable with the fact that anything man-made is memetic or not.
> >Science knows no emotion, it studies it at best.
Scott:
> So someone skeptical of memetics is "romantic"? OTOH some are in love with
> the meme meme. I thought science meant being critical of ideas and holding
> them at arms length. I must be wrong.
First of all, you all are going WAY TO FAST with this list. I'm terribly
lagging behind. So pardon me if my replies are a little outdated already.
Look Scott, everything manually or intellectually made by humans can
be copied by other humans by construction of the concept of human being.
Therefore, everything made by humans is a meme. Although, meme-artifact
would be a better qualifier I think. Of course, I acknowledge skepticism,
hell I even love it myself, but one does need material to be skeptical about
first.
Philip.
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